for instance, john smith jr. votes but a poll worker marks him as john smith sr. the second most cited reason was error on the part of the state's dmv. the only dead voters were three people who voted by absentee ballot but then died before the election. in other words, sir, where is the voter fraud that governor haley is talking about? >> i think almost -- >> it's nonexistent. >> it's nonexistent, and, martin, if you look at all of these states that have put forth laws to make it harder for people to vote, mainly through voter i.d., we see just a lack of any kind of fraud taking place. they're supposed to be trying to stomp out or trying to prevent. and clearly, martin, this is unpatriotic. i mean, folks get up and they salute the flag and sing the national anthem, but at the same time they turn around and try to take the most basic right that every citizen has and that is the right to vote. and i think it's very, very sad. and very unpatriotic. >> can i finish, sir, by referring you to another event at cpac, in addition to nikki haley? there was a cpac panel on